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  1. En venninne av meg kjører 1 time for å hente, og de henter for 1 mnd av gangen. Hun sa enkelte på den gården hentet for et helt år av gangen :) Det er jo litt forskjellig hvordan gårdene opererer, noen må man høste selv, andre kan man plukke fra lager osv.

  2. Har akkurat tatt opp strikkingen igjen, men er helt nybegynner. Eneste jeg kan er å legge opp, strikke rett, strikke vrang og felle av :lol: Forslag til et enkelt, men fint babyteppe? Eller noe annet gøy som kan strikkes, men som er enkelt (utenom kluter o.l)?

    Jeg har stikket dette, det ble veldig fint :) Pinne 10, så går raskt også!

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  3. Jeg har satt meg på venteliste for å bli andelsbonde!

    Dette er et supert konsept hvor man kjøper en andel, og så kan man høste grønnsaker til eget forbruk. Det er felles risiko, det vil si at dårlig avling gir mindre til hver andel og omvendt. Det positive er at maten er økologisk, den er kortreist, du kan høste selv, du kan være med på å bestemme hva som skal dyrkes, og for produsentenes del gir det jevnere inntekt. Noen gårder har også kjøttkvoter. Dette er supert hvis man har barn, så kan de bli med og se hvordan grønnsaker dyrkes, bli med på høsting, og se hvordan dyrene har det :)

    Flere andelsbønder her inne?

    Her kan du se en liste over andelslandbruk i Norge.

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  4. Du fikk en del bivirkninger ser jeg. Jeg har gått på denne kuren selv. Var plaget fra tenårene med store dype underhudskviser, og i tillegg til å være svært sjenerende er det jo også smertefullt. Gikk til to forskjellige hudleger som bare satte meg på alle mulige kremer og ba meg prøve diverse kosthold, ingenting hjalp. Tilslutt i en alder av 26 år orket jeg ikke mer, og dro til samme privatklinikk som deg. Hun syns det var rart at jeg ikke hadde fått prøve tablettkurer og satte meg på tetras. asap. Etter endt kur uten effekt var det rett på isot. Jeg var heldig og hadde minimalt med bivirkninger, tørr hud/hår og slimhinner, men ellers ingen plager. Jeg fikk superbra resultat, og nå er det halvannet år siden jeg ble ferdig. Så nå skal jeg inn og ta laser på arrene mine. De siste mnd har jeg fått igjen en kvise i ny og ne (dyp) så skal spørre om dette neste gang jeg er der.

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  5. Kanskje noen er flinkere enn meg til å finne frem, har funnet en bok som heter brown cheese, please, som vistnok skal være en artig bok til turister om nordmenn. Noen som finner den oversatt til fransk? :)

    Denne er dritkul, fikk den da jeg flyttet til UK. Trodde de fleste franskmenn i tyveårene kunne engelsk nå jeg... Hva med en norsk aquavit og brunost :P

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  6. Klasse en er jo da klasse to, og det har vell vært snakket om å fortsette med "klasse en", men da uoffisielt som en rekruttklasse, på en måte som bronsjemerket i dag. Men på samme måte som det blir vanskeligere med en gang så har man jo også da en klasse mindre å trene til.

    Kortere fellesøvelser, og synlig fører er enklere. Valgfritt moment på stå/dekk/sitt under marsj (vell isteden for å gjøre både og som man må i dag så kan man enkelt velge den man er best på også tar de vekk den andre). I ruta så må hunden i dag stå så så lenge før den kan legge seg og den skal legge seg på kommando (dette er jo da en del av øvelsen og bedømmingen som gjør det vanskeligere enn å "bare" sende hunden til ruta) hvorpå mange feiler og mister poeng, nå kan de som vet at de sliter med ståen bare droppe den helt å gå rett i dekk, det blir enklere. Og hunder har mer enn god nok nese til å skille på de neseprøvepinnene så det tror jeg høres verre ut for oss enn det blir for hunden i praksis. Nå har jeg ikke lest alt og husker ikke alt jeg har lest, men det var ihvertfall flere ting jeg reagerte på som blir lettere etter min mening, så da holder jeg heller på dagens regler og opplegg. Nye øvelser gjør meg ingenting, men jeg synes ikke det skal bli lettere. Det skal henge litt høyt og komme seg til øverste klasse og få et championat.

     

    Valgfritt moment gjelder kun klasse 1, i 2-3 velger dommer. Når det gjelder ruta opplyser du på forhånd hvordan du har tenkt, gjør hunden annerledes blir du trukket. I ruta idag kan man da kommanderw dekk rett etter stå hvis man ønsker det, i prinsipper i det hunden snur faktisk.
  7. Jeg kjenner jeg mister litt lysten på å drive med lp etter det her, blir nok mer bruks på oss da ser jeg for meg. Blir jo bare tull dette, håper de slutter å ødelegge alle de forskjellige grenene snart. Det skal ikke bli lettere. Det er tross alt ikke så vanskelig i utgangspunktet. Men det er jo litt det samme som foregår i andre grener også, tar vekk skudd osv, synd.

    Syns du det blir lettere? Syns det motsatte jeg. Ikke noe kjegle ved fremadsending. Ringsekretærs lukt på neseprøvene i laveste klasse. Rute i klasse 1. Apportering over hinder med dirigering. Flere skritt rygging med vendinger. Innkalling en og en fra fellesdekk. Osv osv.
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  8. Er ikke sånn umiddelbart aktuelt å sette seg inn, men takk for tips! :lol:

    Kort fortalt så tilsvarer nye klasse 1 dagens klasse 2, nye 2 dagens 3 osv. Så ruta fra kl1, fremadsending blir til punkt istedet for kjegle, noen øvelser er endret og nye er lagt til :) Stor forandring på felles i nye kl3, hvor sitt og dekk blir slått sammen og separat innkalling er lagt til.

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  9. Det står jo at hundefører skal informere dommer om hvilket moment h'n velger før øvelsen starter?

    Description: Before the competition starts, the judge will determine, which position
    (stand/sit/down) the dog should to take on its way back to the handler. The same position
    for all competitors
    Jeg har bare lest klasse 3 siden det er relevant for meg, ser nå at det stemmer det dere sier for de lavere klassene.

    Så forresten ikke noen endringer i elite? Det må det jo komme, siden resten av klassene har mange forandringer.

    Klasse 3 erstatter dagens elite :)

  10. Jeg syns fellesøvelsene blir mer spennende, de nåværende er kjedelige og langdryge. Det blir også mer publikumsvennlig. Hvis alle klasser vedtas er jeg spent på om det kommer en rekruttklasse i tillegg, siden dagens klasse 1 "utgår".

  11. Nye klasse en blir vell tilsvarende klasse to i dag, for det blir vell bare 3 klasser totalt viss jeg ikke har missforstått. Men det er det vell mange land som praktiserer i dag også, og det er vell bla derfor det er oppe til vurdering med en endring også her i Norge?

    Jeg orket ikke lese alt, men jeg må si at jeg ikke er veldig imponert over det jeg leste, hva er vitsen om man selv får velge om hunden skal sitte, stå eller ligge feks? Synes ikke noe om at ting blir lettere hele tiden, det er en konkuranse, det er meningen at det skal være litt vanskelig, og det bør være likt for alle for å få mer rett bedømming på tvers av ekvipasjer. Viss man ser behov for lettere sporter så kan man heller lage en ny sport enn å ødelegge de som allerede finnes.

    Det blir dommeren som velger om det er sitt stå eller dekk :)

  12. Det er mye hvisking og tisking i gangene. KG har sendt inn oversatt program til NKK og vi venter på vedtak om alle eller bare klasse 3 skal vedtas i Norge. Finnland har vedtatt og begynner med nye programmer i august 2015. Ut ifra ryktene jeg hører kommer klasse 3 til å tre i kraft i Norge januar 2016, og dersom klasse 1-2 blir vedtatt kommer disse fra 2017.

    Et annet rykte sier at dersom en hund ødelegger for en annen hun under fellesdekk blir denne utvist første gang 3 mnd, andre gang 6 mnd fra konkurranser.

    Her kan dere se hva som blir nytt. OBS! Ingenting er vedtatt i NKK enda!

    Jeg gleder meg til å trene på litt nye ting!

    RULES AND GUIDELINES FOR
    OBEDIENCE TRAILS for CLASSES 1 & 2 & 3
    The rules and guidelines have been dealt with at the FCI Obedience Commission meetings in
    Helsinki 2013 and Brussels 2014.
    The rules and guidelines of classes 1&2 have been combined with those of class 3. The changes
    are summed up in this document.
    The exercises of class 3 are those of an international obedience trial as well, and will be
    effective from 1.1.2016. These will be applied in SW and WW obedience competitions from year
    2016. The other specifics of an international competition will be dealt with by the Commission in
    May 2015.
    The classes 1 & 2 can be applied by the nations that choose to do so according to their own
    timetables, that suite them.
    The guidelines for arranging a SW and WW competition in obedience will be dealt with in The
    Obedience Commission meeting of May 2015. The WW competition is already separated from
    the World Dog Show and it will be so also in the future.
    The FCI Obedience Commission suggests that
     the first choice is to arrange the annual World Championship Competition in
    Obedience in the same country where the World Dog Show is held, but not
    necessarily at the same time and in the same place.
     if the WDS is held on another continent than Europe, the World
    Championship in Obedience will be arranged by the country responsible for
    arranging the European Dog Show
     if neither of the above alternatives can be executed, the FCI Obedience
    Commission will suggest another place and date
     the date and place of the World Championship in Obedience should
    preferably be released three years before the event; the precise date of the
    competition should never be released later that two years before the event.FCI Obedience Commission Obedience classes 1 & 2 & 3
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    Summing up of the changes in the obedience rules and guidelines
    The rules and guidelines of classes 1 & 2 and class 3 have been come combined as one document and the
    following changes have been made.
    Class
    1
    Exercises Coeff
    1 Old: Lying in a group for 2 minutes, handlers out of sight
    New: Sitting in a group for 1 minute, handlers in sight
    3
    2 Heelwork: no changes 3
    3 Stand under march
    If the dog takes the wrong position, 5 points can be awarded if the exercise is perfect in all
    other aspects.
    3
    4 Recall: no changes 3
    5 Old: Sit under march
    New: Sit or down under march
    The handler has to inform the judge before the exercise starts if he will command the dog to
    sit or lie down. If the dog takes the wrong position, 5 points can be awarded if the exercise
    is perfect in all other aspects.
    2
    6 Send away into a square.
    The handler has to tell the judge before the exercise starts if the dog will first stand and then
    lie down or lie down directly. If the dog takes the wrong position in the square 3 points are
    reduced and if the standing position is not clear 2 points are reduced.
    3
    7 Retrieve: no changes 4
    8 Distance control. If the dog sits up before the handler returns, not more than 8 points
    should be given. Extensive use of voice and exaggerated or continuous / long-lasting hand
    signals drop points. (General rules)
    A third command on a position may be given, but this position fails. The first time a second
    command has to be given on a position 2 points are reduced. The next time a second
    command on a position is given, 1 point is reduced.
    3
    9 Jumping over a hurdle: no changes 3
    10 A new exercise was composed: Send away around a cone and return
    Command: “Around” and hand signal
    Performance: The handler stands with the dog in heel position at the
    starting point facing a cone, approximately 15-20 cm high, at a distance of approximately 10
    m. The handler is told to send his dog from the starting point towards a cone. The dog
    should run around the cone and return to the handler and take the heel position.
    Directions: Emphasis should be on the dog’s willingness to follow the commands, the
    dog’s tempo and its taking the shortest way. If the dog turns before the cone, not more than
    5 points can be awarded. The breed should be taken into consideration in judging the
    speed. If a recall command is given, the highest score is 8. A second recall fails the
    exercise.
    2
    11 General impression: No changes 32FCI Obedience Commission Obedience classes 1 & 2 & 3
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    Class
    2
    Exercises Coeff.
    1 Old: Sitting in a group for 1 minute, handlers in sight
    New: Lying in a group for 2 minutes, handlers out of in sight
    2
    2 Heelwork: walking backward 2-5 meters (6 - 15 steps) is included 3
    3 Old: Stand and sit under march
    New: Stand, sit or down under march (2 positions)
    Change: Walking schema as in class 3 (10m – 10m)
    Before the competition the judge decides which positions should be performed and in which
    order. The turning points (left/right) should be marked with small cones. Turning left or right
    should be the same for all dogs of a competition.
    3
    4 Recall with stand: no changes 4
    5 Send away with down and recall. The handler has to tell the judge before the exercise
    starts if the dog will first stand and then lie down or lie down directly. If the dog takes the
    wrong position in the square 3 points are reduced and if the standing position is not clear 2
    points are reduced.
    4
    6 Directed retrieve
    The stopping point is not indicated by a cone.
    3
    7 Scent and retrieve
    Change: No longer 5 neutral articles, they will be laid out by the steward by hand.
    4
    8 Distance control: If the dog misses one position of the six, not more than 7 points should
    be given and if it misses two positions not more than 5 points should be given. Thus if the
    dog jumps over one position and takes the next position instead, not more than 5 points can
    be awarded.
    4
    9 Old: Jumping over a hurdle and retrieving a metal or wooden object
    New: Jumping over a hurdle and retrieving a metal object
    3
    10 General impression 2
    Total 32FCI Obedience Commission Obedience classes 1 & 2 & 3
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    Class
    3
    Exercises Coeff
    1 Old: Sitting in a group for 2 minutes handlers out of sight
    New: Sitting in a group for 2 minutes handlers out of sight
    2
    2 Old: Lying in a group for 4 minutes handler out of sight
    New: Lying in a group for 1 minute and recall
    Commands: “Sit”, “Stay”, ”Down” and/or Hand signal , ”Come”
    Performance: The exercises 1 and 2 are combined.
    Part 1: Sitting in a group for 2 minutes
    Part 2: Lying on a group for 1 minute and recall
    The points are given for both parts separately after the end of the second part of the
    exercise. The exercise starts when all handlers of the group stand in the row at
    approximately 4 meters distance from each other with their dogs in heel position and the
    steward announces “exercise starts”. The exercise ends (Part 1) when the handlers have
    returned inside the ring, facing their dogs at a distance of not less than approximately 10
    meters and the steward announces ”exercise over”.
    The dogs are sitting in heel position in a row at approx. 4 meters distance from each other.
    When told, the handlers leave the dogs and walk out of sight of the dogs and stay hidden
    for 2 minutes. When 2 minutes have elapsed, the handlers are instructed to walk back into
    the ring and take a standing position inside the ring. The handlers are then told to walk and
    take a standing position approximately 10 meters from the dogs facing the dogs. Part 1 has
    ended and part 2 begins.
    The steward starts the second part of the exercise. The handlers are told to command the
    dogs down one by one from left to right. They will be lying for 1 minute and then they will be
    recalled one by one from right to left. A loud command may disturb the others and will
    severely reduce points.
    There should be four dogs in a group, not less than three. In case of only five entries in
    class 3, all five can do the exercise together.
    Directions: A dog that stands up or lies down during part 1 gets 0 points for part 1. A dog
    that leaves its position (more than 2 body lengths) fails the whole exercise
    (parts 1 and 2). Dogs, that are standing or lying after part 1 has ended, can be commanded
    one by one to sitting position. No points will be lost for the first command to a sitting
    position. If a second command is needed, 2 points will be reduced. Part 2 is failed if the dog
    does not sit.
    If a dog lies down before command (f. ex. on a neighbours command) not more than 8
    points can be awarded for part 2. If a dog comes on another dog’s recall command, not
    more than 5 points can be awarded for part 2. A dog coming without any command will fail
    part 2. If the dog barks 1-2 times, 1-2 points are withdrawn; if it barks most of the time, the
    exercise is failed (0 points). The dog is allowed to turn its head and look around, and it is
    allowed to show interest if there is distraction or noise inside or outside the ring. This,
    however, should not give an appearance of restlessness or anxiety. If a dog stands up and
    goes close to another dog, so that there is fear for severe disturbance or a fight, the
    exercise must be stopped and then resumed for all the dogs except for the dog that caused
    the disturbance.
    It is recommended that the area outside the ring in front of the dogs is a closed area (no
    outsiders besides personnel are allowed) during this exercise. In the SW and WW
    competitions this arrangement is obligatory.
    2
    3 Heelwork
    Change: Walking backwards 5-10 meters (15-30 steps). Walking backwards can include
    one turn.
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    4 Stand, sit and down under march: No changes 3
    5 Recall with stand and down: No changes 3
    6 Send away with directions, down and recall
    Change: The handler has to tell the judge before the exercise starts if the dog will first stand
    and then lie down or lie down directly. If the dog takes the wrong position in the square 3
    points are reduced and if the standing position is not clear 2 points are reduced.
    No cone will be used in the center of the circle. A marker may be used. The circumference
    of the circle should be tagged, f. ex 6-8 pieces of tape or a line in the sand, chalk lines, etc.
    If the dog sits or lies down outside the circle or square the exercise is failed. No redirecting
    command is allowed.
    3
    7 Directed retrieve: No changes 3
    8 Old: Jumping a hurdle and retrieving a metal object
    New: Directing to circle a cone, retrieve a wooden dumbbell and jump a hurdle
    Commands: “Around“ , “Stand/Sit/down“ and/or hand signal – “right/left" "retrieve“ and/or
    hand signal – “Jump“ – “Release“, (“Heel“)
    "Description: Before the competition starts, the judge will determine, which position
    (stand/sit/down) the dog should to take on its way back to the handler. The same position
    for all competitors. The handler should draw the direction (right/left) from which the dog has
    to retrieve the dumbbell and jump the hurdle. The handler will not be told the direction at
    this stage.
    An approximately 40 cm high, well visible cone is at a distance of approximately 20 metres
    from the starting point. Two hurdles are situated approximately 5 meters from the starting
    point and 5 metres from each other. See figures.
    There should to be three different sizes of wooden dumbbells available, suitable for different
    breeds. The weight of the largest should be max 450 g. The size of the dumbbells should be
    in proportion of the size of the dog but the handler is free to choose the size.
    Performance: The handler stands with the dog in heel position at the starting point. The
    steward announces the start of the exercise and walks to place the dumbbells
    approximately 5 meters behind the hurdles. On instruction, the handler sends the dog
    forward around the cone. When the dog has passed around the cone at a distance of at
    least approximately 2 metres back towards the handler, but not passed the imaginary line
    connecting the dumbbells, the handler commands the dog into the position that was
    determined by the judge. Voice and hand signals may be given for taking the required
    position. After about 3 seconds, the handler is informed by the steward which the direction
    was that was drawn and instructed to command his dog to retrieve the correct dumbbell and
    jump the correct corresponding hurdle and return to heel position.
    "Directions: Emphasis should be on the dog’s willingness to follow the commands, the
    dog’s tempo and its taking the shortest ways. Showing the dog directions or touching the
    dog at the starting point will lead to failing of the exercise (0).
    It is important that the dog is happy and willing to obey the commands. The dog has to
    show a good and consistent speed, at least a fast trot. Slow working is a failure. The breed
    has to be taken into consideration when judging the speed.
    The dog should immediately obey the commands. There is a tolerance for fast dogs, but not
    for slow dogs.
    To obtain points for this exercise, the dog must remain in its position (stand/sit/down) untill it
    gets the command to go on with the exercise. A dog that takes the wrong position cannot
    get more than 8 points.
    If the dog turns back before the cone, it has to be redirected to the cone. This drops points.
    The exercise is failed if the dog does not go around the cone. The handler has two directing
    commands (-1 point for each additional command if the dog obeys). After the dog has gone
    around the cone the dog should take the correct position on command.
    The handler gets the information which dumbbell (right or left) when the dog has taken its
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    position (stand/sit/down). The handler is allowed to give a jump command after the dog has
    picked up the dumbbell. If the dog passes the connecting lines of the dumbbells the
    exercise is failed (0) without having picked up the correct dumbbell, the exercise is failed.
    If the dog goes to the wrong dumbbell, but is redirected to the correct one and the dog
    brings the correct one, 6 points can be awarded.
    The reduction of points for extra directing commands depends on their strength and the
    dog’s willingness to obey the commands. It can be 1-2 points/command.
    The reduction of points for other extra commands should be congruent with the general
    directions.
    If the dog jumps the hurdle on the way to the cone, the exercise is failed (0).
    If the dog picks up the wrong dumbbell or jumps the wrong hurdle, the exercise is failed (0).
    Dropping the dumbbell: general rules
    Chewing or biting on the dumbbell: general rules
    Figure for the recommended construction of the hurdles is in the appendix. One of the
    hurdles should be open and the other should be an ordinary closed hurdle See figures.
    9 Scent and retrieve
    Change: The number of articles may vary from 6 to 8. The organizer should mark the
    handler’s articles before the competition starts. The pattern for the articles is free. The
    handler’s article, however, should not be placed at the edges. .
    3
    10 Distance control: No changes 4FCI Obedience Commission Obedience classes 1 & 2 & 3
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    APPENDIX: Figures on
    performing the exercise
    Class 1 Exercise 6. Send away into a square
    Class 2. Exercise 6. Send away into a square with down and recall.FCI Obedience Commission Obedience classes 1 & 2 & 3
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    APPENDIX: Figures on
    performing the exercise
    Class 3. Exercise 6. Send away with directions, lie down and recall. The cone in the circle will be
    replaced by a small marker. It is an option to leave the marker out. Segments of the
    circumference of the circle or the whole circumference should be marked. FCI Obedience Commission Obedience classes 1 & 2 & 3
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    APPENDIX: Figures on
    performing the exercise
    Class 2. Exercise 7. Directed retrieve
    Class 3. Exercise 7. Directed retrieveFCI Obedience Commission Obedience classes 1 & 2 & 3
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    APPENDIX: Figures on
    performing the exercise
    Class 3. Exercise 8. Directing to circle a cone, retrieve a wooden dumbbell and jump a hurdle.FCI Obedience Commission Obedience classes 1 & 2 & 3
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    APPENDIX: Figures on
    equipment
    Classes 1 & 2 & 3. The hurdle
    Class 3. Exercise 8. The open hurdle.
    Her er linken til programmet med figurer.
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  13. Med tanke på sommeren: om du er parkert nær jobben så fins det temperaturmåler som du kan legge i bilen og se hvor mange grader det er når du er inne :)

    Om du har tilgang til strøm så kan du bruke kupevarmer i bilen på vinteren. Ellers kan man også kjøpe varmeputer og fylle med varmtvann og ha under teppet, også fylle på til lunsj (alt etter hvor destruktiv hunden er da :P )

    Mener du bare trådløs temometer?

    Tror ikke kupevarmeren funker lenger :/ Varmeputer er en god ide, evt snugglesafe :)

    edit: @lijenta vet du hvor man får kjøpt de viftene?

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