Hjelp en hund i nød!

[ida]

Bare etterlyser at dere er ærlige jeg - hvis hundevelferd hadde vært poenget hadde det vel vært mer hensiktsmessig å hente en av de hundene Marte måtte avlive heller enn en fra Spania siden disse blir "adoptert momentant". Eller?

Selvfølgelig er det fryktelig trist at friske hunder blir avlivet fordi ingen vil ha dem. Men hvorfor det er mer hensiktsmessig å redde den ene hunden framfor den andre, nei det fatter jeg ikke.

[Toya]

kommer vel ingen vei med å diskutere det her... :closedeyes:

[xxx12345]

Selvfølgelig er det fryktelig trist at friske hunder blir avlivet fordi ingen vil ha dem. Men hvorfor det er mer hensiktsmessig å redde den ene hunden framfor den andre, nei det fatter jeg ikke.

Hvis det nå er slik at disse spanske hundene blir adoptert momentant som Cujo påstår, så er det vel ikke mangel på folk som vil hjelpe disse. Samtidig er det tydeligvis mangel på folk som vil adoptere hunder fra norske omplasserinssentre - de eksporteres ikke til utlandet såvidt meg bekjent. Norske omplasseringshunder er tydeligvis da mindre ønsket enn spanske - hvorfor? Hvis man "bare" ønsker å hjelpe en hund, hvorfor hjelper man da ikke heller den som står i fare for å bli avlivet heller enn en som blir adoptert momentant?

[Mari]

Norske omplasseringshunder er tydeligvis da mindre ønsket enn spanske - hvorfor?

Fordi galgoen man redder fra den kulturelle spanskesyken napper langt mer i hjerterota, enn den gjengse bordercollieblandingen på 18 mnder i allergihjemmet på Notodden.

[Lotta]

Jeg erkjenner enhvers rett til å ha andre meninger en meg, men å på en slik måte nærmest si at vi er idioter(godt pakket inn med dog..)viser tydelig din respekt for de som er uenige med deg

Veeeldig godt pakket inn, spør du meg!

Så når det er sagt er alle rescue sentre like?ingen gjør noe for å hjelpe hundene?alle vanskjøtter dem?

Jeg har ikke sagt at RESCUESENTERET vanskjøttet eller vanskjøtter hunder ...? Hvor tar du det fra???

Er du da også imot de som adopterer barn fra disse landene?

You figure it out...

[smgjerald]

Vel, det var du som tok opp barn,og i den spørsmålsstillingen vi har i denne tråden har du vel evnen til å se hvor upassende den delen av innlegget er.

Mulig jeg misforsto innlegget ditt om senteret du hadde besøkt i England( hvor du nevnte hunder som ikke hadde det så bra) kammen du hadde kjøpt etc..Innlegget ditt kom også rett etter at noen sa jeg burde ta en tur til senterene jeg støttet.

Kombiner det med den relativ negative holdningen til slike sentre så var jeg nok litt forutintatt.

og her er hovedproblemet mitt med forumer,at det er lett å misforstå hverandre.

Når det gjelder at spanske hunder blir adoptert oftere hvor feil eller riktig man en synes det er, så tror jeg også de som ordner dette er flinkere til å markedsføre seg. Fælt,men sant.

Som sagt,da jeg bestemte meg for å få en hund til,valge jeg den spanske fordi jeg falt for den. enkelt og greit.

MEN de er flinkere til å profilere seg i media,og trekker da til seg de som kun vil ha en "reddet"hund som status symbol.

Selvfølgelig er det fryktelig trist at friske hunder blir avlivet fordi ingen vil ha dem. Men hvorfor det er mer hensiktsmessig å redde den ene hunden framfor den andre, nei det fatter jeg ikke.

Det er ikke det. En hund er like mye verdt som den neste,uansett rase og nasjonalitet.

Og nå tror jeg det holder her, vi kommer ikke lenger i denne diskusjonen nå tror jeg, la oss bare være enige i en ting: vi er alle glad i hunder

Det er bare på enkelte områder vi er uenige,og før dette blir for usaklig tror jeg at jeg sier meg ferdig med denne tråden.

Men selvfølgelig...hvis dere vil fortsette siifra,svarer jeg

*Fikset quoten, og slo sammen dobbelpost. Mod Miriam*

[Gosia]

Hello,

I have been reading a very interesting discussion on your forum about adopting or not adopting "foreign dogs", mostly from Spain. Forgive me for writing in English, I can read Norwegian although probably I don't understand everything but I cannot write.

I am a voluntary with an organisation saving abandoned animals in Portugal. I am not Portuguese. I am Polish by nationality but I have lived in 9 countries, Sweden included (and 3 months in Norway) so I am kind of ... European. I came to Portugal, my first south-European country and ..... you just have no idea. So many abandonded dogs on the street. Sick dogs abandoned at the door of the kennel because the owners don't want to pay the vet costs. Puppies found in garbage bins. Young dogs abandoned in masses before holiday period. Look, they are not "my" dogs, they are Portuguese and I am not, but does the nationality matter? They are dogs in need! I don't know how long I will stay in Portugal, but as long as I am here, I will be helping.

I met a group of brave and selfless people that had started a private association 5 years ago. They have their own kennel and an agreement with the municipality that no dogs will be killed in the area but handed to them. In other municipalities dogs are killed if they have stayed in the municipal kennel for two long. Here, this organisation kind of replaced the municipal kennel. They have the dogs vaccinated, sick dogs treated and they try to find new homes for dogs.

I joined them and help them as much as I can.

A few dogs have been adopted in Holland and in Sweden. It is a chance for them. Normally we receive every week more dogs than we adopt. The Dutch partner association is sending us food too. So of course I am happy that in some countries, where the problem of abandoned dogs is not as serious, there is a will to adopt dogs from the south of Europe. And I am looking for such possibilities in Norway but I need a partner organisation there. Maybe you would have some suggestions?

But I agree that it is not enough. It is not our aim to overpopulate Norway with dogs while ours continue to breed!

What we are trying to do here is to change the mentality of people to implement more respect for animals, to responsibilise them not to abandon dogs and to stop the overpopulation.

First, we have a project in schools of the municipality: to go during the class, talk with the kinds, sensibilise them and read with them a "Journal of a Dog" that is "written" by a puppy and his family loves him when he is a puppy but then he grows too big, he eats to much, he destroys shoes and they close him a little kennel, then they abandon him on the road and he dies.... Kids feel touched and maybe some will not do it because this is such a true story...

Then, all dogs that are adopted from us have a chip. It is not obligatory in Portugal to have chips on dogs but ours have. Like this the new owners may not abandon them that easily. But if they do, the chip is registered on the name of the Association so in the worst case scenario, this dog will come back to us.

Third, all females adopted from us are sterilised. Some males are castrated. If female puppies are adopted, the new owners have to promise to have them sterilised when the time comes. We keep in touch with all the new owners. And if they cannot afford the sterilisation, we pay part of the costs. And the vets also give us reduced prices.

The Association managed to convince the mayor of the municipality to start a construction of a new kennel which would include a house for veterinary treatments. Then our idea is to invite young vets from abroad as voluntaries. We offer them accommodation in one of our homes and food and they would do for free sterilisations of females - not only those in the kennels but for people who would like to come and ask for it.

So far we are paying all the vets costs and even if they give us good prices, we owe 3 vet clinics now 6000 euros. But we are not sitting and waiting. Of course we are looking for donations but we are also organising a beach charity festival on 19th of June with concerts and games and we hope that the proceeds will cover the debts with the vets.

I think we are doing our best and the direction is right. But it will take time.

If you would like to see the page of the Association, it is www.bianca.pt

It is in Portuguese, but for example you can click on "casos urgentes" to see the dogs that we would like to have adopted soon.

Then, we also have two blogs, one in Portuguese: http://biancaassociacao.blogspot.com

and the other in English: http://bianca-pet-rescue-adoption.blogspot.com

You can also write to me at: gosia_nesterowicz@yahoo.com

I don't really expect that someone will write to me and say: yes, I want the Lobito or Petra, how can he/she come to Norway. But maybe someone would like to help. Any help is good. We need medications for animals, food, blankets, leashes. And of course we need money. To become a "member" we ask for 30 euro a year. It is not much, but in a poor country like Portugal, you cannot ask for more.... Maybe someone in Norway would like to contribute...

I am really grateful to those who managed to read until the end!

All the best,

Gosia